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21 December 2010 @ 07:11 am
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Discuss: LiveJournal is circling the drain.
Up Too Late: Mintonthisdaydreamer on December 21st, 2010 01:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, gods I hope not. I have noticed a big drop in the number of entries on my friendslist the past few years, but it is still quite active so I still have hope. And I don't have any plans on leaving now.
prince on December 21st, 2010 01:27 pm (UTC)
The only people that are still using LJ fall under three or four categories.

1. Teenagers using it to spam their friends with sh%t they didn't create (stolen photos, videos, music, etc.) Those teenagers apparently haven't found tumblr yet.

2. Adults unwilling to move over to Facebook or Twitter. Not sure if they think that if they move to Facebook or Twitter, they think their LJ will disappear. It's okay Grandma -- you can do both.

3. Use LJ as their news feed -- and occasionally see old friends update their journal as a bonus -- but haven't updated their own journal with a real entry in years. (That's me.)

4. The "I paid a lot of money for a Paid Membership, I'm going to use it!" group. What that group fails to realize is that all of the non-paid friends they once had on LJ have moved to Facebook and Twitter and no longer visit LJ or are logged in to see your "friends only" updates.
Josephine: Demographixlovellama on December 21st, 2010 01:35 pm (UTC)
I have my LJ to keep up with fandom and internet friends, and have Facebook to keep up with family and real life friends. There is minuscule overlap and that's the way I want to keep it.
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The Crashing Down of Hollow Years: livejournalblackpaladin on December 21st, 2010 01:31 pm (UTC)
Probably, yes. That doesn't mean that those of us who are already here need to leave (although I'm seeing more and more of the "oh, I forgot, you're not on [Facebook/Twitter] so you don't know..." that I used to see from LiveJournal), but it means that we're probably going to see fewer new features and even more of a shift of focus towards "just keep it working" from the maintainers.

Unfortunately, as permanent members, we've lost our voice. We've already given them all the money they can expect to get from us, and they're not getting any ad revenue from our page hits, so why bother listening to anything we have to say?

That being said, I'm not planning on going anywhere, at least for the time being. The reason I'm not on Facebook or Twitter is because [a] I've spent a lot of time and effort customizing my LiveJournal, and I don't want to start from scratch on another site, and [b] I already waste enough time here, if I tried following either of those as well, I'd never get anything done at work! ;-)
Edsobrique on December 21st, 2010 02:01 pm (UTC)
Facebook more than Twitter I think. But yes. I know plenty of people who can't be bothered with anything that isn't on Facebook.

But that's ok. I can have both. I can even get LJ to update facebook. *shrug*.
Works for me.
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qfemaleqfemale on December 21st, 2010 01:36 pm (UTC)
Over the past two years about 3 people on my flist have stopped posting. The rest is still alive and blogging.

I've only noticed that fandom has lost a bit of members but that's not the reason why I'm on LJ.

I've been here for the past 8 years blogging about my life and I will remain here even if my flist dies out. (My brain loves the idea of having this online archive of my life. Even if nobody reads/comments/cares.)
Anjali.anjak_j on December 21st, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
I've only noticed that fandom has lost a bit of members but that's not the reason why I'm on LJ.

This one is largely because swathes of fandom took their journals to DreamWidth...and not all members of fandom cross-post.
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Edsobrique on December 21st, 2010 01:56 pm (UTC)
I don't think it is, no.
I have an LJ, for when I want to write _entries_. And facebook/twitter when I want to blither inanities.
Different tools, different jobs.
There's other blog sites, sure. LJ suits my needs though, especially as I can get it to spam Facebook for the benefit of the attention deficit types.
KRIM: brains?bitter_crimson on December 21st, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
This is how I work out the LJ/DW/FB/twitter divide as well. Twitter is good for posting random crap about nothing, or short news items not important enough to write a long post about. FB is good for not much occasionally posting updates about my life to make my relatives happy, and networking with people I know professionally. I have a tumblr and accounts on some other sites but don't really use those that much. LJ/DW are my still main way of interacting with friends and communities of friends online. The two features that I think really set LJ/DW apart from most other sites are a) communities and b) threaded/nested comments. As long as people keep posting I won't be going anywhere else.
Smitty Werbenjagermanjenseneidna on December 21st, 2010 02:00 pm (UTC)
My friends list has slowed down, but it's still very much active. I think it depends on the types of communities you're in.
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Caitlin Hooper: femmes - grey dawntis_caitlin on December 21st, 2010 08:08 pm (UTC)
Yeah, what she said. :)
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typewriterkingtypewriterking on December 21st, 2010 02:32 pm (UTC)
The demo skews Russian now. LJ isn't a big player in English-speaking countries anymore, but going Asian hasn't killed Friendster, Brazil keeps Orkut afloat, and Bebo with whoever.

chezmerelda: ds9: g/b lunch-breakschonste on December 21st, 2010 02:41 pm (UTC)
People have been crying about LJ dying since 2007 ever since their precious pedophilia fandom stuff got stomped on.

Fandom is still HUGE on LJ, bigger than anywhere else. Fanfiction is still being posted here on a regular basis that's more easy to find than almost anywhere else. Only AO3 has more readily available and its servers are awful & slow and it's fanfic exclusively, missing a huge part of fandom itself.

LJ isn't gonna die any time soon thank goodness. :3
Marcus L. Rowlandffutures on December 21st, 2010 03:01 pm (UTC)
I don't think so. Although a lot of people talk about moving off completely, relatively few seem to do so, and for all their faults the management do seem to be reasonably OK at stopping spammers etc. There haven't been many instances of heavy-handedness recently, apart from the comments thing a few months ago. Communities seem to be a lot more active here than e.g. on Dreamwidth.

Bottom line, I continue to post here, and wouldn't want to move, and I suspect that there is similar inertia in a lot of other people. With luck Livejournal will continue for a lot longer.
Tara: me - sexy - snowainabarad on December 21st, 2010 04:38 pm (UTC)
*applauds your response & thinks of my comment as well* LJ 4-ever. :)

It's kind of like a desktop or laptop PC vs. a tablet PC or smartphone. The latter is trendy and sleek, but the former has far more umph to it as far as practicality. I go to LJ for my JOURNAL. I go FB for little crap that isn't overly personal. I'll never leave LJ. I can't say the same for FB because if everyone left it I'd have no reason to continue using it! LOL ;)
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Daniel the California Highway Guy: lj-immature-rantscahwyguy on December 21st, 2010 03:04 pm (UTC)
The Attention Span of Social Networking
I did a post on this a while back... rummages around... oh, here it is:

Recently, a number of my Livejournal friends have indicated they are moving their journaling to Facebook. This has gotten me thinking about the differences between the two services, which is something I've seen as a user of both. I think the differences are informative, and reflect other trends in society. So I decided to take a little time over lunch to jot down my ideas.

Think back 80 years. We had social networking then: the handwritten letter. This was a particular communication form well suited to what I call “long form” communication: multiple well-thought out paragraphs that might be read and re-read to gain additional meaning. As technology improved, this communication form was supplanted by the telephone (and to a lesser extent, telegraph messages). These were a form of “short form” communication: more stream of consciousness, more bursty, more snippets of information that weren’t thought out in advance. As e-mail emerged, it too took the short form of communication, supplanting the longer written letter (although there were the occasional long emails, but more often, there were short emails with documents attached).

We’ve also seen this in the entertainment fields. Theatre and cinema are long-form entertainment: they require focused attention for periods up to 3 hours. Televisions has encouraged short and even shorter forms. Where there were once hour and half-hour scripted series, TV has moved into short snippets that don’t require attention (some blame this on Sesame Street and the rapid cuts). We’ve been encouraging our own ADD. Ohhh, shiney.

In the last few years, social networking sites have blossomed and withered. Friendster. Linked-in. Plaxo. My Space. Facebook. Livejournal. Dreamwidth. Twitter. We have also seen the growth of blogs and online journals. Again, this long-form vs. short-form distinction is coming into play.

Online blogs and Livejournal/Dreamwidth tend to encourage the long-term. LJ/DW has the advantage over general blogs (blogger, blogspot) in that one has more controls over visibility (i.e., one can restrict visibility to friends or custom lists of friends, something that can’t be done easily on most blogging services). There are also blogging services within MySpace, and the Notes service within Facebook is essentially a blog, although one has less control over formatting and graphics. Certainly LJ users are used to long and thoughtful entries; it is unclear the reaction to those entries on Facebook (at least I seem to get less FB comments on Notes). These long-form entries typically take time to write, and it is not uncommon for the author to keep tinkering with the entry after it is posted -- services usually provide the ability to edit the entry.

Facebook and Twitter, on the other hand, encourage the short-form. Tweets are short. Status updates are short. Even links to articles and photos are short form: there isn’t much thought behind posting a link and adding a sentence or two. The growth of Facebook and Twitter may be precisely because today’s generation, raised on the telephone, TV, and email, prefer short bursty communication that doesn’t demand their attention.

Can the services work together or complement each other? Sure. One can post short-form items on Livejournal/Dreamwidth. One can connect the services between LJ and FB: one can go into notes and define import settings, permitting FB to automatically import public LJ posts as Notes via RSS or Atom feeds. One can write blog entries on Facebook via the Notes service, and can even restrict visibility to “friends-only” or custom groups. One can blog on MySpace, but who reads Myspace anymore :-)?

(continued in Part 2)
Daniel the California Highway Guy: lj burma shavecahwyguy on December 21st, 2010 03:05 pm (UTC)
Re: The Attention Span of Social Networking (Part 2)

I think, in choosing a service, one must look at one’s style of journaling. If your tendancy is towards the long-form piece, possibily sensitive, then I still believe LJ/DW is the place to be. It is better than Facebook, in the sense that one’s notes tend to be more restricted by default on Facebook, decreasing the size of the audiences for one’s obstensibly public posts. If LJ/DW is used, one can have those entries auto-fed into the Facebook notes (something that can’t be done on MySpace), thus sharing them with that audience. For restricted accessibility entries, one must post to both services separately to define the security level. [I’ll also note that only LJ gives the ability to do voice posts and posting by email, to my knowledge]

If you are a short-form writer, then going to a Facebook-only approach or Twitter may be for you. Facebook is great for the short attention span: status updates abound, quiz results populate your news stream (unless you suppress them), and folks are constantly posting photos and links, with short and pithy comments.

As for me, I think I’m a long-form writer. For the time being, I’ll maintain my long form writing base here at Livejournal. If the service degrades, I may move to Dreamwidth. I will, however, have my thoughts and writings syndicated to Facebook, and will hand-crosspost, as appropriate, entries with more restricted distribution. For short-form items (such as periodic status updates unworthy of a post), I’ll just post them to Facebook. I still don’t see a need to Tweet.

I’ll note there is one thing Facebook is quite good for: reconnecting (if that’s something you want to do). By using people’s real names, one can find those old friends you lost touch with... and they might find you :-( or :-), depending on your point of view. Of course, there’s a downside to this: managers or potential employers might be able to search on your real name and find those pictures of you in a compromising position (which I why I never permit such pictures to be taken). Still, I’ve reconnected with friends and family that I could never entice to Livejournal.
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Anjali.: #: holiday penguinsanjak_j on December 21st, 2010 03:09 pm (UTC)
I doubt LJ is going away any time soon. And from that standpoint, I'd say no - LJ isn't circling the drain.

From a quality of service standpoint it has been circling the drain for years. The things that are broken on this site that no-one seems in any hurry to repair despite them being paid services.
Zoefruitcakezoefruitcake on December 21st, 2010 03:23 pm (UTC)
Last year I was convinced that LJ was on its last legs, friends I'd had for years were moving to Facebook and it seemed to be dead on here. But then I found some new friends and I found that it is still alive. People might be leaving, but there are plenty still on here. If you find you are losing your LJ mojo, reach out and find some new friends and soon your flist will be full again
Flame-crested gryphonesstyrrlin on December 21st, 2010 03:34 pm (UTC)
Nope. I prefer LJ, as do most of my friends, apparently.

While I do have a FB, I almost never login anymore. I HATE the short character limit for both FB and Twitter (which I'm not on). LJ allows you to actualy, yanno, WRITE about stuff going on in your life and have a meaningful discussion on it, if you want.
Edsobrique on December 21st, 2010 06:04 pm (UTC)
Better yet, LJ lets me post said things to Facebook, so those who do insist on 'snippets' can see what I'm writing as well. Maybe I shall convert them to the purer form...
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Edsobrique on December 21st, 2010 06:21 pm (UTC)
I still have facebook, because I can't resist the integration with Android (HTC Sense allows you to 'merge' contact lists with facebook contact info).
That's really very nice.
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Karisu | カリス ("sama" = facetious ^___^): Hedgehog - pricklykarisu_sama on December 21st, 2010 04:15 pm (UTC)
DISAGREE. (!!!!!!)
Almost everyone I know who I have been keeping regular (as opposed to sporadic) tabs with on LJ is still at it, as am I --- and that's over 100 people, who also are on Facebook, Dreamwidth, etc.

I don't see it dying at all yet. For one thing: COMMUNITIES. For another: there is no serious "replacement" for this sort of REAL-friends often-more-private long-post journaling (it's not really "blogging") that so many of us do. Facebook is great for a wider circle of acquaintances, Blogpost and Wordpress etc. for "blogging", but they really don't BEGIN to meet the different needs that LiveJournal serves.

Yahoo, OTOH - cut your Yahoo losses ASAP, people.......

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Re: DISAGREE. (!!!!!!)
Hello there! :)
Taraainabarad on December 21st, 2010 04:32 pm (UTC)
I use FB and LJ (haven't really got into Twitter yet). To me, the two are COMPLETELY different. FB is broad and open to me, whereas LJ is far more personal and intimate. I'd never post anything to FB that I wouldn't want the entire world to know, meanwhile I post my personal life, reviews, photos, etc. here on LJ via "friends only" entries. I'm considering having some public entries in 2011 (I've been "friends only" on LJ for years), but those would be far less personal and more FB privacy like, if you know what I mean. Not to mention, FB statuses aren't tagged/easily archived and the character limit totally sucks. They are so different.

Aside from that, I'm 30 years old (wah!). While I'm still very young as far as the life spectrum goes, I do have some life experience under my belt (quite a bit for my age, in fact). Enough to tell anyone that trends come and go, but those who find something that truly fits their life often tend to stick with it, even if they do stray now and then (i.e. I have posted very little in my LJ lately because I just had my first semester of college which, coupled with my family, has kept my schedule very, very busy *G*).
Edsobrique on December 21st, 2010 06:23 pm (UTC)
I like twitter, because I consider it 'more honest'. It's a short, broadcast text message service.... and that's it.

It's the status updates from Facebook, but without the other intrusive nonsense, such as app and advert spam.
I don't trust facebook to have any protection for content I post. Twitter doesn't even pretend that 'limited distribution' is in any way secure.
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Pith: epithanies-water-fictionpith on December 21st, 2010 04:50 pm (UTC)
I'd say about 25% of my friends-list has moved over to Dreamwidth in some capacity: either exclusively (with a feed for LJ devotees) or by cross-posting. The fandom communities I follow are quieter as well, but that has more to do with the fandom than LJ.

I use FB and Twitter as well, but for different things. I don't really like FB, but I use it to keep in touch with my relatives who live far away. Twitter is nice for short little messages and such. I have two permanent accounts, so I hope LJ doesn't die any time soon, and I don't really think it will. It still seems to be the first of the like-minded sites (LJ, insanejournal, inksome, dreamwidth) that comes to mind when you ask people about such things.
kauricatkauricat on December 21st, 2010 05:00 pm (UTC)
I do not think that LJ is circling the drain. I do think that it has changed substantially over the years, so I can see how it might look like LiveJournal is dying from a certain point of view.

I'm on Facebook and Twitter, but neither of those services fill the space the LJ does for me. I love the privacy controls, the ability to make lengthy entries, and the opportunities to have real discussions here. I do not get those things on Twitter or FB, and that is why I do not spend as much time on those sites as I do here.
Billhelmbillhelm on December 21st, 2010 05:46 pm (UTC)
Seems like most on my f-list that were lost to Twitter, Facebook or their external blog were lost long ago. Have seen a few hangers on that seem like they are ready to hang it up, but still have a core group of people that post and I interact with regularly. In fact, have seen multiple people come back.

Don't think it's growing too much in terms of new users, but it's been that way for a while.
Haroldfiddlingfrog on December 21st, 2010 08:29 pm (UTC)
LJ is different than it used to be, but I actually feel more comfortable about the future of the company behind it and the service itself now than I did for several years in the mid 2000's.
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wrong but wromanticsally_maria on December 21st, 2010 09:15 pm (UTC)
My circle of friends is just as active on LJ as they ever were. I'm the odd one, because I'm cross-posting from Dreamwidth, and would very happily move there permanently if my friends would move with me.

I understand that LJ in general is not as active as it was, but I see no evidence of circling the drain - the problems with LJ are not recent ones but go back long before I bought my permanent account.
rejectomorph: laszlo moholy-nagy_chxflying_blind on December 21st, 2010 10:35 pm (UTC)
Did you misspell brain?
Юлій В. Чирковjuliy on December 22nd, 2010 01:53 am (UTC)
Livejournal is dead
David Brailsford (MBA)hdofu on January 23rd, 2011 05:06 pm (UTC)
The russians know all about reanimating the dead
Amanda: I <3 Bloggingbyfaith on December 22nd, 2010 05:06 pm (UTC)
Nah. My friends list is alive and hoppin', and I post pretty regularly, too.