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05 June 2007 @ 11:35 pm
"Strikethrough 2007"  

I saw a few comments here and there from permanent members and people thinking about becoming permanent in the wake of "Strikethrough 2007," so I'm curious what folks in this community feel about what happened and how it makes them feel about LJ and about having bought a perm account.
Current Mood: curiouscurious
Christina: permanentempres77 on June 6th, 2007 03:42 am (UTC)
I feel like it really doesn't pertain to me in any way, and I'll continue enjoying my permanent account.

Randrwdederick on June 6th, 2007 04:03 am (UTC)
I feel like it really doesn't pertain to me in any way, and I'll continue enjoying my permanent account.


BTW, has anyone had any user icons inexplicably disappear/stop working recently?
Cytherea: Cynicalnightsinger on June 6th, 2007 04:02 am (UTC)
I was going to by a permaccount for a friend of mine, but... I really don't know, now. :/ I'm still thinking about it.
Daniellelikethe309 on June 6th, 2007 04:05 am (UTC)
I deleted my comment, because I think I ready the post wrong. :(
Jae-Ellejaeelle on June 6th, 2007 04:10 am (UTC)
Honestly, I regret buying the permanent account now. When I bought the account, I bought it because I felt I was supporting a company that had given me a lot of great service, would continue to provide me with great service, and one I trusted to continue in that line. This made me realize that LJ is capable of severely disappointing me, which they hadn't really done till this point. And what's more, I realized there's almost jack squat I can do about it at this point. I can't withhold my paid member status or take their ads off my journal in protest. I've permanently given them all of my support for as long as the site remains on the Intertubes. I'm not fond of that. But it's too late now, I suppose.
Amanda: Kid's First Drawingbyfaith on June 6th, 2007 01:11 pm (UTC)
I feel the same way. I've "closed" by journal and moved, after 5 years of being on this site and 2 years as a permanent member. This sounds nerdy, but LJ has been a big part of my life since middle school, and I'm sad to see things go downhill. I feel like continuing to use my journal would be supporting Six Apart and I simply can't do that.

I've moved to: http://sinceohtwo.blogspot.com/, but I'm also trying to pick up my written journals again. I can't bring myself to put so much work/faith into a different journal site knowing that something like this could happen again, here or elsewhere.
Blonde with Duendeqassandra on June 6th, 2007 04:11 am (UTC)
I'm deeply disappointed. When I bought my permanent account, LJ was dedicated to freedom of expression. This debacle-- and Berkowitz's comments to CNET about the deletions being about the sort of community they want to build--- have shown that Six Apart does not share those values and does not understand or respect the community it bought.
Schneeschnee on June 6th, 2007 07:43 am (UTC)
Hear, hear!
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grahamsgrahams on June 6th, 2007 04:14 am (UTC)
I think people are blowing this out of proportion... LJ's populous seems to constantly be looking for something to complain about and rally behind...
Mall-O-Neighmalone on June 6th, 2007 01:56 pm (UTC)
*stands up and claps as loud as one can!*
(no subject) - singofmyself on June 21st, 2007 08:33 pm (UTC) (Expand)
The Water Seeker: laptopplymouth on June 6th, 2007 04:16 am (UTC)
Copied from a comment I made in a friend's journal on the topic:

When I joined LJ in 2001 it contained a small core of useful services. It contained several of my friends. I joined because I liked those services and my friends were there. Since then they have added a variety of other services, some of which I like and some of which I don't give a rat's ass about (I have not once for example made a phone post. when my friends make phone posts I don't bother to listen to them. but I don't begrudge LJ for supporting phone post). One of the things I liked about it in the beginning was that it was being run by a bunch of college kids and volunteers who were really just figuring out from scratch how to run a business. There were bugs. They fucked up sometimes - yes, with misunderstandings VERY MUCH like the one here. The TOS were not always applied consistantly. They worked on clarifying that. To me this is just another example of that sort of thing and so I have a really hard time getting worked up about it. I have now lived through SEVERAL rounds of "OMG LJ changed something, now it all will suXx0r!". After each of these changes two things remained: 1) none of the core services I joined for was gone and 2) my friends were still here. Indeed more of my friends are here than ever, since though a handful have left, many have joined and I have met even more. Being a longtime user doesn't make me pine for the "good old days" - it gives me perspective.
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immlass on June 6th, 2007 04:32 am (UTC)
As a practical matter, LJ has wrung all the money it's going to get out of me because there are no more services I can buy, so they have no reason to listen to me.

While I don't like everything about the way LJ handled this matter, other than the realization that I have no leverage, it has not changed how I feel about LJ. And I knew intellectually that I had no leverage before.

I'm meh about the whole thing.
...: checkscarlete on June 6th, 2007 02:02 pm (UTC)
As a practical matter, LJ has wrung all the money it's going to get out of me because there are no more services I can buy, so they have no reason to listen to me.

That's how I feel too. Since I'm a perm account, I feel like I have everything to lose and they have nothing to lose should they make rules that weren't here before that I totally disagree with and permaban me off the cuff. I had considered getting another perm account (for what, I have no idea, just a novelty thing, I guess) but I just can't justify it now that SA owns LJ.

I'd rather spend my money on my own website where I hold the control over the content, and where should there ever be a dispute it's handled in a more.. well, in a better way.

I guess at this time I don't see a point in paying for something that seems to be going downhill, more constraining and less democratic.

The ads don't affect us in that we can't see them, but they sure do affect what LJ decides we are allowed to put here. I foresee more trouble of this ilk later.
(no subject) - details15 on June 21st, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC) (Expand)
Ravan Asterisravan on June 6th, 2007 04:36 am (UTC)
I regret it. While I can stand a few feature fuckups, as long as they get fixed, pandering to religious wing-nuts to "protect the children" infuriates me. I refuse to dumb down my journal or interests to topics (only) suitable for children. LJ is 13 or older. Most adult content is f-locked. No children are harmed by the words "incest", "rape" or "pedophile" in public interest list. If advertisers want to sell to a kiddie crowd, they should go to MySpace.
Unseelie: LJ Abuse Is Abusing Power and Denying Counsee1ie on June 21st, 2007 02:49 am (UTC)
2nd this
We have no leverage.

We can only wait until someone complains about OTHER keywords in interests and this all happens again.
Re: 2nd this - esprix on June 22nd, 2007 01:27 pm (UTC) (Expand)
mopaliamopalia on June 6th, 2007 05:25 am (UTC)
The nice thing about a permanent account is that there's no point in storming off in a huff. Over all, I feel that the incident is one of growing pains and was ultimately handled well and responsibly. I appreciate the fact that LJ doesn't equate pornography with "adult," even if that's the euphemism. As an adult, I support LJ in removing pedophiles from the roster, and I likewise appreciate the efforts to be sure that people with "pedophile" in their interests list are not being removed for reasons other than solicitation. So, I'm still glad I have a permanent account.
...: bandaidscarlete on June 6th, 2007 02:05 pm (UTC)
My problem with the way it was handled is that if it weren't for the strong outcry, it would never have gotten fixed.
Azure Jane Lunaticazurelunatic on June 6th, 2007 05:50 am (UTC)
LJ would have to do a whole lot more a whole lot more wrong to get me to abandon my investment.

If you ever see a mass volunteer exodus from LJ, that would be sort of like watching the bomb squad sprint for the hills, but I'm not seeing that. I'm seeing people holding on to LJ for all they're worth and holding on to each other harder.
MegaZonezonereyrie on June 6th, 2007 06:08 am (UTC)

SA/LJ fucked up by reacting blindly. Then they had to try to un-fuck things. No one is going to be perfectly happy with the situation, no matter what they do now.

But it looks like they've unsuspended most, if not all, of the fandom journals, etc. I think deleting the actually pedo journals is the right thing to do - it is illegal and just plain disgusting.
Andyrileysaplank on June 6th, 2007 06:10 am (UTC)
I do regret it now, not just because of the recent kerfuffle but that really was the last straw for me. Although I am involved in Fandom (which did seem as though that was the group being targetted for a while before other explanations started coming through) I don't know anyone that was affected personally, but it's the fact that users have been complaining about some of the peadophile journals for a while now yet seemingly as soon as an outside group threatens to send screenshots to advertisers to show them that their adverts are being placed beside words they may find offensive then LJ and 6A has a knee-jerk reaction to that that P***es me off.
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Captain Packrat: Imma chargin' mah lazer!captpackrat on June 6th, 2007 06:50 am (UTC)
I am curious as to what happens if you have a permanent account and get banned. Are you just screwed and can't get your money back?
ankhayra: BeAGoatankhayra on June 6th, 2007 07:05 am (UTC)
Good question! I've wondered about that too.
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